What people are saying:

• Facebook User: The founders were well educated and well written. If they intended the United States to be a Christian nation, they would have stated so, explicitly. The very first sentence of the first amendment clearly states that they did not intend for there to be ANY established national religion :”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

  If you have to twist words and find five other non-official documents that are not actually signed by all the founders to try to prove that they wanted this to be a Christian nation, you might want to consider the notion that you’re wrong. No one is stopping you from being a Christian, why can’t you mind your own business and let other people have the same religious freedom you have, thanks to the very founders you pretend to venerate.

• Facebook User: No religion in public schools
• Facebook User: Secular Education Association Wrong, historical ignoramuses.

  “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” — Northwest Ordinance of 1787, Article 3

  “The General hopes and trusts, that every officer, and man, will endeavour so to live, and act, as becomes a Christian Soldier defending the dearest Rights and Liberties of his country.” — General George Washington, General Orders, July 9, 1776

  You liberals out there really like to run your mouths about the relationship between church and state. Separation of church and state? What did he have to say about that?

  “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” — President George Washington (my paternal fifth great grandfather’s direct commanding officer in the Revolutionary War, and whose great-grandnephew served under the command of my maternal second cousin, seven times removed, under the Confederate flag), Farewell Address, paragraph 27, published on Monday, September 19, 1796

  • Facebook User: Facebook User thanks for commenting and supporting the reach!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User That doesn’t bother me one bit, madam. I have told the truth, which never can be defeated.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User oh but an opinion isn’t a fact, boo.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Evidence isn’t opinion, dumb bunny. Either learn how to study history or shut up.
• Facebook User: I’d rather them require that elected officials live by the Bible instead of pushing it down our throats. Our country would be so much better off.
• Facebook User: These supporters have no idea what “can of worms” they have opened
• Facebook User: No place for it. If so, whose? Yours? Mine? That guy’s?
• Facebook User: The founders were mostly Deist. And explicitly DID NOT name a national religion for many very very good reasons. You cannot call yourself a constitutional originalist, then go cry online about this fact
• Facebook User: I want a tall, wide wall between civil government to include public education, between church and state!
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User keep commenting genius.
• Facebook User: The original Schools/Universities in the US were established by the different Churches.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User So? We are centuries past that
  • Facebook User: Facebook User when was that??
  • Facebook User: Facebook User and then we decided education would be FOR EVERYONE.
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User
  • Facebook User: Facebook User, that may be, but when the nation created public schools, and asked every citizen to pay for them, it became a federal mandate and therefore must follow the separation of church and state. Public schools are necessary because Church based schools are first and foremost exclusionary, and secondary are only for people who can pay for an education!
    Excluding the poor, and people who are not tithing members of the affiliated church! Charter schools are also exclusionary!
    Public schools may not exclude any group, race nor religion! Giving all the opportunity of an education to lift people from poverty, and equal access!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User and those were private, not public, schools.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User then go to one of them and leave publicly funded education alone.
• Facebook User: Even the workers on the Mayflower thought the Puritans were nut jobs. Thus the beginning of separation of church and state. You go to your church and I’ll go to mine. That’s the way the Conservative State of Mass. rolls.

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• Facebook User: Read the Declaration, its not that long. Then, read the Constitution, including the first ten amendments, also known as The Bill of Rights. Lastly, read the Treaty of Tripoli, which explicitly states that this country was NOT founded on Christianity.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User then read the Treaty of Paris. Which explicitly states that it is.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Yes, almost all the Founding Fathers believed in God. However, their exact concepts of God and religion varied widely across the group. Rather than holding a single unified faith, they fell into a few main categories:Deism: Many prominent figures (such as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison) were Deists. They believed in a Creator who designed the universe and established natural laws, but they rejected orthodox Christian doctrines, miracles, and the divinity of Jesus.Orthodox Christianity: Many other signers (such as John Jay, Samuel Adams, and Patrick Henry) were practicing, traditional Christians who believed in a personal, active God and the teachings of the Bible.Theistic Rationalism: Several Founders (including George Washington and John Adams) blended reason with elements of traditional faith, viewing God as a rational, benevolent force who actively guided human and national affairs, often referring to this entity as “Divine Providence”.Because of these diverse perspectives, and their desire to protect both religious freedom and government integrity, the Founders deliberately chose not to establish a national religion. They established a secular government while frequently acknowledging a higher power (such as the “Creator” in the Declaration of Independence) in their public rhetoric
  • Facebook User: Facebook User wasn’t founded on secularism either. But the founders allowed for change . Ben Franklin even replied, “A Republic if you can keep it”.

    “On October 11, 1798, John Adams wrote to the Massachusetts Militia that

    Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.

  • Facebook User: Facebook User read those documents again and this time with your glasses on. God and Christianity and its teachings are woven directly and indirectly throughout the entirety of both The Declaration of Independence and Constitution. As for the Treaty of Tripoli, the soul purpose of the famous Article 11 of said treaty was simply to reassure the Barbary pirates – a Muslim group – that the United States wasn’t interested in a crusade. Governments bend the truth all the time and they did so here. I have a bachelor’s degree in American military and diplomatic history, I studied it.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Sir, Article 11 does not appear in the Arabic version. The Lybians never agreed to it. One responsible source has said that it was deleted after President Washington read it and was angered by it. It appears that the Congress failed to remove it from the English version when they were supposed to do that.
• Facebook User: Sorry to burst your bubble but the founding fathers believed that our rights come from God and were to be protected by the Constitution.

  “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”

  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User did you take history at a charter school? Which god? Which creator?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Maybe ICE will visit your wife 😂
  • Facebook User: Facebook User “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.”
    ~Thomas Jefferson

    “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
    ~Thomas Jefferson

    “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.”
    ~John Adams

    “Religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.”
    ~James Madison

    “I have found Christian dogma unintelligible.”
    ~Benjamin Franklin

    “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”
    ~Thomas Paine

    “The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy — a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.”
    “It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”
    ~George Washington

  • Facebook User: Facebook User What’s a deist?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User note carefully that it says THEIR Creator. Not THE Creator, not OUR Creator, THEIR Creator. You are free to conceive of your Creator as ‘God’ and I’m free to conceive of my Creator as ‘physics’ and either way, our inalienable rights are inherent to our humanity.
    “Nature and Nature’s God” refers to Spinoza’s God, not the God of Moses. Look into it.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User among those rights is the right to religious liberty. Religious liberty necessarily requires freedom from Government Religion.
    Both “In Jesus We Trust” and “There are no gods we’re on our own” would be exactly as inappropriate and unconstitutional as our National Motto as the current one is, and for exactly the same reasons. Government has no more authority to promote theism over atheism as it does to promote Presbyterianism over Catholicism.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.”
    ~Thomas Jefferson

    “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
    ~Thomas Jefferson

    “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.”
    ~John Adams

    “Religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.”
    ~James Madison

    “I have found Christian dogma unintelligible.”
    ~Benjamin Franklin

    “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”
    ~Thomas Paine

    “The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy — a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.”
    “It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”
    ~George Washington

  • Facebook User: Facebook User – keep your theocracy to yourself and out of my government!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User- no they didn’t! They were escaping religious persecution!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User they also wrote that black people are 3/5 of a person.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User “Shall pass no laws regarding the establishment OF religion”
  • Facebook User: Facebook User BTW, those deists believed jesus was a philosopher
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Well, they didn’t really mean all men are created equal. What they meant was white, males who own property. No women, No Native Americans. No African Americans. And you know what words do NOT make their way into the Constitution? Bible, Christian, Jesus or God. And the only place where religion is mentioned is to put a check on it. No religious tests for public office. No establishment of religion.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User, “God and His laws” was thought to include the Divine Right of Kings, yet here we are.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Sorry to burst YOUR bubble…Sound bite history was created for those among us who have short attention spans; for those who are incapable of understanding complicated concepts and for those who are apathetic and don’t care to actually learn something that may contradict their closely held biases. 🇺🇲✌🏻✝️
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association I think they just proved your point……. More history and less religion needs taught
  • Facebook User: Facebook User people like you make me wish we still threw Christians to the lions for entertainment. You people don’t get persecuted nearly enough
  • Facebook User: Colin Solís eh, nope. There is so much fact-based stuff out there to show that some were as you say, but most remembered that we came here to make our own decisions about religion…and, like most decent politicians, looked around and saw that there were leaders among them who did not all worship the same, if at all. Our first president was not the greatest ever, but he did his best, I think, and he did not speak about his faith nor did he expect others to also be Anglican/Episcopalian as he was. One thing he did is to leave services before communion because he felt like that part of a service was to show off who was allowed to take it and who wasn’t. He is only ONE who thought for himself and considered that others may worship differently from him.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User And yet God or Christianity are nowhere to be found in the Constitution. You’ll find principles of the Enlightenment but not Christianity. The US was not founded on Christianity no matter how much you want to believe it was.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User It’s a shame that you’re running for office with so little understanding of our history. No, the US was not founded on a “creed from God in Heaven”. The founders were heavily influenced by Enlightenment principles as well as the structure of the Iroquois League when they were deciding what this new country would be. You should give the Constitution a read through. It is 100% wrong to try to push religion into the public schools. Our public schools, as well as every other public service/agency, should be neutral as to religion.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User I don’t think it said whose God. But if all men are created equal, and that power comes from God, then they have the power of self-determination to believe what they choose or not.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User just apply the Lemon Test. Lemon vs Kurtzman (1971):
    For schools to receive funds:
    1, Cannot be used for religious purposes,
    2. Cannot encourage nor discourage religion.
    3. Cannot entangle the government in any religion.
    School cannot become entangled in religion. This violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Public Funds cannot be used for religious purposes. The key for schools is to not promote one religion over another.
    However, as an example, groups may conduct a prayer service around the flag pole, if prior to or after regular school hours. The problem is has become a complicated issue, as many court decisions are open to interpretation. It is an interesting debate. I would suggest that each individual discuss this with their local district.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User let’s discuss this idea of being protected by the Constitution because that part seems to have gone out the window
  • Facebook User: Facebook User “creator” was chosen intentionally, not god not Jesus. You are free to practice any religion you chose just as I am, or none at all
• Facebook User: Apparently we didn’t escape a king either.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Queen you mean.orange trumpet.lol
  • Facebook User: Facebook User yes we did and he isn’t a king to anyone other than his TDS cult.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User But he rules like a king and we all suffer for that
  • Facebook User: Facebook User he’s gotten away with a lot… November will correct that!
• Facebook User: It’s not even pastors. It’s paid politicians!
• Facebook User: Distorted beliefs before our country was founded had people dying in the streets of France, more recently Christians being beheaded in the middle east – and the heads being used as a ball for children. Entire groups of people being slaughtered because of their beliefs. We have the rights to believe our faith , just not the right to slam it down other people’s throats. The First Amendment: The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from establishing a national religion, while the Free Exercise Clause protects your right to practice—or not practice—any faith without state interference. Article VI: This mandates that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
• Facebook User: my family did not escape the blood shed in France to travel to the colonies and islands because of their religion to only allow it to happen again!
• Facebook User: Pastors don’t work in public schools, they work in the Church
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Lifeways. Look it up.
• Facebook User: Wrong. It is based on a Christian nation. Look it up. Our fathers before
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Where would one look for such fallacies?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User I’ll have to look and see where I found this before.

    We are talking also back before the presidents.

    If you ever watched any movies based on Jesus, the government does everything by the word of Jesus.

  • Facebook User: Facebook User “The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
    Founding Father James Madison, 1819

    “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
    Thomas Jefferson, 1814

    “No religious doctrine shall be established by law.”
    Elbridge Gerry, Annals of Congress 1:729-731

    “Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights.”
    Thomas Jefferson

  • Facebook User: Facebook User Yes, almost all the Founding Fathers believed in God. However, their exact concepts of God and religion varied widely across the group. Rather than holding a single unified faith, they fell into a few main categories:Deism: Many prominent figures (such as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison) were Deists. They believed in a Creator who designed the universe and established natural laws, but they rejected orthodox Christian doctrines, miracles, and the divinity of Jesus.Orthodox Christianity: Many other signers (such as John Jay, Samuel Adams, and Patrick Henry) were practicing, traditional Christians who believed in a personal, active God and the teachings of the Bible.Theistic Rationalism: Several Founders (including George Washington and John Adams) blended reason with elements of traditional faith, viewing God as a rational, benevolent force who actively guided human and national affairs, often referring to this entity as “Divine Providence”.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User we had to separate because of free choice… our government was definitely religious
  • Facebook User: Facebook User The separation of church and state prevents the government from establishing a national religion or interfering with religious practice. It safeguards religious freedom by ensuring no single faith receives favoritism, and it protects government institutions from religious control.Historically, the concept stems from the founders’ desire to avoid the persecution and conflicts caused by state-sponsored religions in Europe. Fleeing this history, early figures like Roger Williams and Thomas Jefferson championed the idea of a “wall of separation”. Jefferson famously used this phrase in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists, reassuring them that the U.S. government could not interfere with their religious rights.Ultimately, this separation guarantees that every citizen has “soul freedom”—the right to practice any religion or no religion at all—without being treated as second-class by their own government. You can explore the exact wording of these religious liberty protections in the First Amendment of the Constitution.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User google will give you both answers. Don’t need to be a genius to understand this…
  • Facebook User: Facebook User read above ⬆️
  • Facebook User: Facebook User the PEOPLE were religious. You can serve the PEOPLE without pushing theocratic bullshit.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User apparently you just read in whatever your wee Christian Nationalist head thinks up. We are a secular nation with religious freedom.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User you get your information from a movie?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User from google. Anti Christ huh? Prayers to u
  • Facebook User: Facebook User there is one faith. By the Bible and it’s Christianity. We made these religious not GOD
  • Facebook User: Facebook User exactly what I said didn’t I? We created the separation. Other than that, yes the founding fathers believed very well in GOD
  • Facebook User: Facebook User If your unable to read the comment above yours, that’s your problem not mine
  • Facebook User: Facebook User nope
  • Facebook User: Facebook User why do you want to do a prayer for an answer? Maybe if you cite proper source, that would be a better conversation.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User uhm yup, just like we made SIN OK
  • Facebook User: Facebook User I love when the anti christ pop up though. People are so defensive about GOD. Sad world we live in.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User It isn’t that anyone can’t read your comments, it is that your comments are ridiculous
  • Facebook User: Facebook User you clearly didn’t read the convo between me and kittie. I already sent it to her what google said. Is that too hard for you?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Yes, almost all the Founding Fathers believed in God. However, their exact concepts of God and religion varied widely across the group. Rather than holding a single unified faith, they fell into a few main categories:Deism: Many prominent figures (such as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison) were Deists. They believed in a Creator who designed the universe and established natural laws, but they rejected orthodox Christian doctrines, miracles, and the divinity of Jesus.Orthodox Christianity: Many other signers (such as John Jay, Samuel Adams, and Patrick Henry) were practicing, traditional Christians who believed in a personal, active God and the teachings of the Bible.Theistic Rationalism: Several Founders (including George Washington and John Adams) blended reason with elements of traditional faith, viewing God as a rational, benevolent force who actively guided human and national affairs, often referring to this entity as “Divine Providence”.Because of these diverse perspectives, and their desire to protect both religious freedom and government integrity, the Founders deliberately chose not to establish a national religion. They established a secular government while frequently acknowledging a higher power (such as the “Creator” in the Declaration of Independence) in their public rhetoric
  • Facebook User: Facebook User because your anti christ. Nothing is ridiculous about the lord
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Yes, almost all the Founding Fathers believed in God. However, their exact concepts of God and religion varied widely across the group. Rather than holding a single unified faith, they fell into a few main categories:Deism: Many prominent figures (such as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison) were Deists. They believed in a Creator who designed the universe and established natural laws, but they rejected orthodox Christian doctrines, miracles, and the divinity of Jesus.Orthodox Christianity: Many other signers (such as John Jay, Samuel Adams, and Patrick Henry) were practicing, traditional Christians who believed in a personal, active God and the teachings of the Bible.Theistic Rationalism: Several Founders (including George Washington and John Adams) blended reason with elements of traditional faith, viewing God as a rational, benevolent force who actively guided human and national affairs, often referring to this entity as “Divine Providence”.Because of these diverse perspectives, and their desire to protect both religious freedom and government integrity, the Founders deliberately chose not to establish a national religion. They established a secular government while frequently acknowledging a higher power (such as the “Creator” in the Declaration of Independence) in their public rhetoric
  • Facebook User: Facebook User I am the anti christ? God damn woman you need help.
• Facebook User: Christian nationalism is the least of your concerns, at this point.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User its the foundation of which ALL our current problems exist.
• Facebook User: That which our would-be religious rulers can’t possess, they will always try to destroy.
• Facebook User: 🙄