What people are saying:

• Facebook User: It never was a law
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User please keep commenting, it drives our reach!
• Facebook User: Yep
• Facebook User: Sad situation, we must respect the words of article 1 in our constitution! No particular church is part of our government!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User that’s the key, no “particular” church. That’s actually in intent
• Facebook User: You lie about the facts and truth of “separation of church and state “.
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User no. We don’t. But you sure are trying to twist it to fit your narrative. The founding fathers would be ashamed of you.
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association. Liar Liar Pants on Fire you are. That’s all liberals do.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User maybe you should look into the history of *why* the Baptists in Connecticut were concerned enough to write to President Jefferson in the first place.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User you sound like the kind of person who thinks Jesus was too ‘woke’ for telling people to be nice to everyone.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User http://www.NeedGod.com
  • Facebook User: Facebook User use examples of any of these lies?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User. You are correct about Christian Nationalism being un-American AND Christian Nationalism is NOT true Christianity.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User. No where in the constitution or any other documents governing our country is there any mention about separation of church and state. The concept came to be by our founding father’s concerns about the government trying to control the church. Their was to protect the church from the state. WOW that’s quite the opposite of what most people know or want the idea to mean.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User. The concept of “separation of church and state” was purely to protect the church from the state. Maybe you should take your own advice.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User no, that’s not correct. James Madison, the author of the first amendment wrote:
    “Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom?

    In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. …

    The establishment of the chaplainship to Congs. is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles. The tenets of the Chaplains elected shut the door of worship agst. the members whose creeds & consciences forbid a participation in that of the Majority. To say nothing of other sects, this is the case with that of Roman Catholics & Quakers who have always had members in one or both of the Legislative branches. Could a Catholic clergyman ever hope to be appointed a Chaplain? To say that [his] religious principles are obnoxious or that his sect is small, is to lift the veil at once and exhibit in its naked deformity the Doctrine th⟨at⟩ religious truth is to be tested by numbers, or that the major sects have a right to govern the minor.” (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/04-01-02-0549)

  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association no stupid your twisting it to fit yours
• Facebook User: The religious freaks have been infiltrating the public schools for decades
  • Facebook User: Facebook User People who are hostile to Christianity got God kicked out of school in 1963. Morality and education have taken a nose dive ever since. Just because parents delegated their childs education to public schools. Does not mean they have to leave their faith at the door.
  • Secular Education Association: That’s not true at all. We never took God or the Bible “out of schools”, we just made it so that it can’t be mandated on everyone who doesn’t believe…. And education hasn’t taken a nosedive ever since, there are so many nuanced factors to your argument that you’re missing. And no. No one is asking you to leave faith at the door- But you can’t shove it down our kids throats either.
  • Facebook User: I am a life-long church-going Christian. I raised my kids in church. I do not support incursions of Christian Nationalism into public education. Not only is this a violation of Constitutional protection of religion, it is also in conflict with my personal and denominational beliefs.
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association When has it ever been shoved? It has always been offered. Never shoved
  • Facebook User: Individuals are free to believe whatever they want. Government has no authority to endorse, promote, enjoin, or prohibit any religious doctrine as Officially Correct or Officially Blasphemous.
    Both “In Jesus We Trust” and “There are no gods we’re on our own” would be exactly as inappropriate and unconstitutional as our National Motto as the current one is, and for exactly the same reasons. Government has no more authority to promote theism over atheism as it does to promote Presbyterianism over Catholicism.
  • Facebook User: Religious liberty necessarily requires freedom from Government Religion. Starting Government meetings with prayer is Government Religion. Mandating the display of the Ten Commandments in public schools is Government Religion. Allowing government contractors to discriminate against people based on their religion is Government Religion. (Look into what happened to Aimee Madonna) paying clergy from the public treasury for the performance of religious rituals is Government Religion.
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association EXACTLY !!!
  • Facebook User: David Finley, WRONG !!! Look at what’s happening in Texas !!!!
  • Facebook User: Mark Mclaughlin the public school system was founded by the chruch
  • Facebook User: We didn’t have education problems until religious freaks dismantling secular education. Take a look at Bible belt education system compare to the northern states. Evidence is there.
• Facebook User: Again-if you are going to bring this up- are you going to bring up allowing time for practicing religion during the day?
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User what? Every one, children included, can already practice their religion during the day.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User – you are welcome to practice your religion at home or in your Church anytime during the day, just not in our PUBLIC schools!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User No. As you noticed Secular’s answer, some religions require times during the day for certain practices.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User – well by all means post what religions those are and what times and what districts these religions are practicing during the school day forcing this on PUBLIC school students!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Look to Minnesota where they have installed prayer rooms and foot washing stations. I expect to see more of these in the future. https://www.kimt.com/news/twin-cities-school-districts-plans-for-prayer-rooms-foot-washing-stations-draw-national-outrage/article_35bc2b14-bec6-5f4b-bf36-ee77f18cd9fe.html
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Districts can offer accommodations (absence for religious observations, fish sticks on Fridays, time/place allowed for student prayer). My understanding of provision of foot washing places.was a response to students washing feet in bathrooms. Christians are generally unaware of the extent to which school schedules are built around Christian religious observations–and often include religious celebrations of Christmas and Easter. If Christian students engaged in regular times of personal prayer during the school day, no doubt appropriate accommodation could be made. But as this is not a tenet, the objection to such accommodations for devout students is just petty what about ism.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Not quite following you Peggy. I am not being petty.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User with all due respect, students have a right to practice their faith n a non disruptive banner during school hours.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User well said!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User there is a difference between practicing/ expressing faith as a student on school property versus a third party taking children off school property to be indoctrinated.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User I am well aware. I asked my question.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User then answer SEA’s question.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User – the problem is “Christian” sects like life-not-so-wise deliberately try to be disruptive, as they want everyone to follow their specific beliefs.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User They just asked “what.” It wasn’t more than that, we have discussed it before. I have talked with them before about making sure they are balancing the freedom to express religion on school property and who is paying for it. As you can see in the previous post by Traci, some people get confused by thinking that no religion can be practiced at school, and other school districts are now paying for religious spaces in public schools, which isn’t right either. I am simply asking them to speak about that, too.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Beth, that is exactly what is appears that SEA is doing. By addressing how LW operates, They ARE speaking directly to the balance of religious expression and public funding. I’m sure SEA will correct me if I am wrong in my statement if need be.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User I have yet to see them talk about Minnesota.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User It is a National Org. How does that not include Minnesota?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User See my comment above with the link about Minnesota.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User and that link still does not change the fact that this is a National Organization that would be inclusive of Minnesota.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User You’re missing my point.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User because one does not exist
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Christian Nationalists, yes. But we have to separate that and still be supportive of religious freedom.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User as you can see, I have corrected Facebook User. We have to come together as a united front and that takes understanding on both sides. There’s a lot of us with deep religious trauma and we don’t always react well. There’s a lot of Christians who get lumped in with the Christian Nationalists. This issue we can stand with each other, no matter the faith and say “Education matters, let’s protect it”.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User can you repost it? I can’t find it
  • Facebook User: Facebook User i appreciate the conversation and I think we are on the same page here. Are you asking about the post about the school in Minnesota that is building prayer rooms?
• Facebook User: Maybe you know who the founder of the American public education system is… Noah Webster.
  Here’s a couple of things you should learn from your founder…
  “Every civil government is based upon some religion or philosophy of life. Education in a nation will propagate the religion of that nation. In America, the foundational religion was Christianity.”

  “Education is useless without the Bible.’

  • Secular Education Association: Quoting Noah Webster doesn’t override the First Amendment. We once had mandatory Protestant Bible readings in public schools. That history also included discrimination against Catholics, Jews, and other religious minorities. Those practices were ruled unconstitutional because public schools belong to everyone- not just the religious majority. Constitutional rights aren’t decided by one 18th-century educator’s opinions.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Ah no, education must be secular and without any one religion in order to allow equal access to it for all people. Democracy will die if education is not secular.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Then it’s also fair to include religious texts from other religions. Otherwise, you’re favoring one religion over others or none. We have private schools for that purpose.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Education is useless without the Bible? The people writing it didn’t even know the earth was round. But the Secular Education Association isn’t really about any of that. You can revere the writings of the Bible or any other book you want. But we need to keep a preference for any religion out of the public education school day. No proselytizing, no recruitment, no adult-led prayers on the football field.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User not in this nation..
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association overrides your godless understanding of the first Amendment.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User When Webster wrote that the Bible was used to teach reading because there were no other texts available. No basic readers. No ABCs. Schools taught “reading, writing, and ‘rithmatic” because algebra, calculus, English literature, American literature, biology, chemistry, etc textbooks didn’t exist. Any science was folk medicine and “reading the signs” of nature. The Bible was the only book in most homes. Due to immigration from Europe, German, Dutch and Scandinavian languages were predominate in the Midwest and English wasn’t even taught in their schools until after the Civil War.
  • Facebook User: Shane Christopher Manteuffel Overrides your Bible thumping misunderstanding of the First Amendment.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User they don’t care about history or factual information…just their personal agenda of attacking Christianity.
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User No. No, it doesn’t. Lmao. Thanks for driving the numbers though.
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User some of us are Christians… there’s no personal agenda or attack of religion here. Secular Education protects us all. Plus YOU ARE A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER. You should NOT be comfortable commenting publicly like a Christian nationalist.
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association absolutely it does. That’s how principles work. It’s also why our education system is failing. Godlessness has absolutely no basis for knowledge, evidence, logic. It’s all “the only thing I know for sure is I don’t know anything for sure.”
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association Amen!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User shame on you! School board members shouldn’t be part of the efforts to destroy neutrality, and Lifewise is! Protecting the separation of church and state is not an attack on Christianity.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Go read what Thomas Jefferson has said about “Separation of Church and State”.
  • Facebook User: I have. The state has no business telling the church what to believe/do when it comes to theology and church government.
    Let me guess… You’ve believed the reinterpretation of what he said and think the church/faith has no business in government?
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Perhaps if your religion requires shoving it down children’s throats in schools you should re-look at your religion, not the schools.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User wow… Such a profound statement! I guess I have to completely deconstruct my perspective because you phrased it so well!
  • Facebook User: Facebook User lol…you can’t bully me…go pick on someone unwise to this organization
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association. Lol… go try and bully someone else….
  • Facebook User: Facebook User What about Horace Mann? Horace Mann was an American educational reformer, abolitionist and Whig politician known for his commitment to promoting public education; he is thus also known as The Father of American Education.
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User oh we don’t bully, we leave that up the Lifewise supporters. This is OUR PAGE, you’re here bullying.
• Facebook User: There is no Constitutional separation of church and state. ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. “. That’s it.
• Facebook User: parents should decide not the government on where their children go to school. all parents should have that option irregardless of their financial status.
• Facebook User: That’s a very nationalist way of thinking.
• Facebook User: Sadly true
• Facebook User: Importantly, separation of church and state is a relatively new concept not in the constitution, one which mostly aided progressives as they used schools to teach their particular religion as though it were merely secular consensus.
• Facebook User: There is no separation of church and state!!! The state can not mandate a religion
• Facebook User: https://www.jractivist.com/post/subverting-public-education-to-fund-religious-schools
• Facebook User: Having it in classrooms is not establishing a religion
  • Facebook User: Only if ALL religions are studied or otherwise appropriately represented in the customs, activities, and instruction made welcome there…
  • Facebook User: The Establishment clause is not just about establishING A religion, it’s about establishMENT of religion in general. Government may not favor one religion over another nor religion over non-religion. In religious matters government must remain neutral. Allowing a set of religious dictates in a public school classroom is implicit endorsement of religion. Mandating it by law is EXPLICIT endorsement.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Reading comprehension is not dictating anything. It’s educating. Christianity does exist.
  • Facebook User: Facebook User Thank you for amplifying my point. 👍
  • Facebook User: Facebook User You sure got your knickers in a twist over nothing. Could it be you are hostile toward Christianity?
  • Facebook User: Secular Education Association How is it nonsense?
  • Secular Education Association: Facebook User oh tagged the wrong person in this thread! Our bad AND deepest apologies. Thanks for being here and helping combat the misinformation. You’re absolutely correct!
  • Facebook User: And yet it still violates the establishment clause according to Cornell Law as having only Christianity in classrooms and public school space and time favors one religion over other religions and non religion.
  • Facebook User: Yes it is!
  • Facebook User: You sure got the First Amendment wrong. Could it be Christianity is hostile to the Constitution?
  • Facebook User: Yes it is.
    Religious liberty necessarily requires freedom from Government Religion. Mandating the display of the Ten Commandments in public schools is Government Religion. Allowing government contractors to discriminate against people based on their religion is Government Religion. (Look up what happened to Aimee Madonna) Starting Government meetings with prayer is Government Religion. Paying clergy from the public treasury for the performance of religious rituals is Government Religion.
    Both “In Jesus We Trust” and “There are no gods we’re on our own” would be exactly as inappropriate and unconstitutional as our National Motto as the current one is, and for exactly the same reasons. Government has no more authority to promote theism over atheism as it does to promote Presbyterianism over Catholicism.
  • Facebook User: If the Founders had wanted to write: “Congress shall pass no law Establishing a National Religion”, they would have. They didn’t. The “respecting the establishment of” language creates a far broader prohibition. From the Supreme Court:
    “The ‘establishment of religion’ clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. ”
    (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/330/1.html )
  • Facebook User: It’s absolutely the government endorsement when performed by a government staff member. Teachers are government employees.
• Facebook User: Tax all religions!
• Facebook User: Our Founders wrote and ratified our godless Constitution with its prohibition of religious tests for public office for good reasons and we ignore their wisdom to our peril. To our real and actual peril in cases like the Philadelphia Bible Riots of 1844 where we saw Christians murdering each other in the streets and burning down churches over which *version* of the Bible was to be used as a reader in the tax-funded schools. When the clearly Constitutional answer was neither. It is exactly that sort of strife the Founders sought to keep from our shores by rejecting the Scriptural doctrine of the divine right of kings and replacing it with the Enlightenment doctrine of consent of the governed as the wellspring from which civil authority flows.
• Facebook User: King Donald has been secretly meeting with Iranian officials and providing them information asylum seekers (religious minorities/Christians) who want to leave Iran. Before the US and Israel bombed Iran this year, Iranians arrested by ICE some 150 people the US deported back to Iran. Deporting these people who will face certain interrogation, torture and worse. The information given to Iranian intelligence officials will likely be used during interrogations.
  

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• Facebook User: You people twist the facts around to justify your disregard of the US constitution. You have freedom to believe, practice, and gather in the name of your Christianity….why are you so adamant on forcing this on others…..its disgusting what Christians have turned into.
• Facebook User: Secular Education Association Oh, shut up. You dirty liberals have controlled the public school system for decades. Your reign of moral corruption is coming to an end. You people are threatened by the Bible. Just like cockroaches that run for cover when somebody turns on the light.

  The Founding Fathers’ intent was to avoid denominationalism. That ought to be avoided. Separation of church and state is not what you liberals say it is. Your warped view is that no religion belongs in the public arena. The correct view is that no President has the right to tell any church how to choose its deacons and that no denomination has the right to tell any President how to handle a tax bill. They lived under the Anglican Church’s tyranny for years, and they weren’t going to go through that again. Their wisdom prevented that. The public school system ought to fall into line with that.

  “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” — Northwest Ordinance of 1787, Article 3

  “The General hopes and trusts, that every officer, and man, will endeavour so to live, and act, as becomes a Christian Soldier defending the dearest Rights and Liberties of his country.” — General George Washington, General Orders, July 9, 1776

  You and your ilk really like to run your mouths about the relationship between church and state. Separation of church and state? What did he have to say about that?

  “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” — President George Washington (my paternal fifth great grandfather’s direct commanding officer in the Revolutionary War, and whose great-grandnephew served under the command of my maternal second cousin, seven times removed, under the Confederate flag), Farewell Address, paragraph 27, published on Monday, September 19, 1796